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		<title>By: sandrar</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/BuildingGreen/?p=219#comment-1384</link>
		<dc:creator>sandrar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post... nice! I love your blog.  :) Cheers! Sandra. R.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi! I was surfing and found your blog post&#8230; nice! I love your blog.  <img src='http://www.djc.com/blogs/BuildingGreen/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Cheers! Sandra. R.</p>
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		<title>By: DJC Green Building Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The bad green project examined</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/BuildingGreen/?p=219#comment-473</link>
		<dc:creator>DJC Green Building Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The bad green project examined</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recent post called &#8220;Is green building dangerous?&#8221; raised a number of comments. In the post, I mentioned a project that while having won a significant [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recent post called &#8220;Is green building dangerous?&#8221; raised a number of comments. In the post, I mentioned a project that while having won a significant [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/BuildingGreen/?p=219#comment-472</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would encourage those who are skeptical about the liability aspects of green building to check out my blog's archive of posts on the subject that Katie links to above. You'll find a piece from last summer where I reference a presentation given by an attorney for a Maryland-based insurance company listing numerous claims made against design professionals arising out of green projects. One particular claim stands out in my mind where an architect specified a certain type of green product that wasn't on the market, the project itself suffered significant delays, and a lawsuit arose. I'm not sure that qualifies green building generally as "dangerous," but I don't think there's any question that "green" construction adds some twists to traditional principles of construction law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would encourage those who are skeptical about the liability aspects of green building to check out my blog&#8217;s archive of posts on the subject that Katie links to above. You&#8217;ll find a piece from last summer where I reference a presentation given by an attorney for a Maryland-based insurance company listing numerous claims made against design professionals arising out of green projects. One particular claim stands out in my mind where an architect specified a certain type of green product that wasn&#8217;t on the market, the project itself suffered significant delays, and a lawsuit arose. I&#8217;m not sure that qualifies green building generally as &#8220;dangerous,&#8221; but I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any question that &#8220;green&#8221; construction adds some twists to traditional principles of construction law.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Chee</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/BuildingGreen/?p=219#comment-459</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Chee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To some degree, I agree with you Katie.  I think that everyone is jumping on the "green" bandwagon but there's something called the law of unintended consequences that is just sitting out there waiting to show itself.

You touched on it a little bit with bio fuels where there is an obvious consequence there.  The users of bio fuel will see some incremental savings each time they fill up their tank but in the end are we really saving any money at all?  If farmers start using their farm land to grow corn and that corn is used for bio fuel, then what's going to happen to the price of corn that is used for human consumption or to feed livestock?  I think we might see a price increase in our food as a direct consequence to saving money at the gas station.

There's also hybrid and electric cars.  I just saw an electric car two weeks ago and the owner told me that he has 21 golf cart batteries inside.  I asked him how long do the batteries last?  He wasn't able to tell me a definitive answer.  I think that batteries contain all kinds of horrible chemicals.  If we all went to his style of electric car, we'd be going from one battery in our traditional car to 21 batteries. Now, I'd love to hear how those batteries are disposed of -- battery toxicity would seem to be a major concern for each all electric car that is using golf cart batteries.

So with all things, including green building, we need to do our due diligence and make sure that we are aware of the complete lifecycle.  Follow it from cradle to cradle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To some degree, I agree with you Katie.  I think that everyone is jumping on the &#8220;green&#8221; bandwagon but there&#8217;s something called the law of unintended consequences that is just sitting out there waiting to show itself.</p>
<p>You touched on it a little bit with bio fuels where there is an obvious consequence there.  The users of bio fuel will see some incremental savings each time they fill up their tank but in the end are we really saving any money at all?  If farmers start using their farm land to grow corn and that corn is used for bio fuel, then what&#8217;s going to happen to the price of corn that is used for human consumption or to feed livestock?  I think we might see a price increase in our food as a direct consequence to saving money at the gas station.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also hybrid and electric cars.  I just saw an electric car two weeks ago and the owner told me that he has 21 golf cart batteries inside.  I asked him how long do the batteries last?  He wasn&#8217;t able to tell me a definitive answer.  I think that batteries contain all kinds of horrible chemicals.  If we all went to his style of electric car, we&#8217;d be going from one battery in our traditional car to 21 batteries. Now, I&#8217;d love to hear how those batteries are disposed of &#8212; battery toxicity would seem to be a major concern for each all electric car that is using golf cart batteries.</p>
<p>So with all things, including green building, we need to do our due diligence and make sure that we are aware of the complete lifecycle.  Follow it from cradle to cradle.</p>
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		<title>By: SteamboatEcoBroker</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/BuildingGreen/?p=219#comment-458</link>
		<dc:creator>SteamboatEcoBroker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's so many aspects to green building that some of them could be dangerous. As Katie says, air quality and ventilation systems are a must for buildings that have new 'green' insulation which are literally air tight. In old buildings, air could move through the cracks thus ventilating the house. If you have an airtight building with improper ventilation, you could be exposed to mold and toxins in every day products. There's still a lot to learn, but I think it will progress and end up with only positive results.

&lt;a href="http://www.steamboatsprings-realestate.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;SteamboatEcobroker&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s so many aspects to green building that some of them could be dangerous. As Katie says, air quality and ventilation systems are a must for buildings that have new &#8216;green&#8217; insulation which are literally air tight. In old buildings, air could move through the cracks thus ventilating the house. If you have an airtight building with improper ventilation, you could be exposed to mold and toxins in every day products. There&#8217;s still a lot to learn, but I think it will progress and end up with only positive results.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.steamboatsprings-realestate.com/" rel="nofollow">SteamboatEcobroker</a></p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/BuildingGreen/?p=219#comment-457</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles - thank you for your comment. You have a good point, that these are issues faced by the building industry in general, not just green building. Still, I think it's an important topic to broach.

John T - To clarify, I was speaking with Dan Morris, a 50-year veteran of indoor air quality who does home investigations and specification and testing of indoor air quality for LEED. In general, he thinks LEED needs to put more emphasis on indoor air quality. The specific example above was a home that had won a pretty significant local green building award but the children were getting sick so the parents hired him to do an investigation. Turns out the house was improperly ventilated and the carbon monoxide fumes from the furnace were infiltrating the air. He said this is not an isolated example, though he added that there are also excellent green buildings out there that do great ventilation and indoor air quality work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles - thank you for your comment. You have a good point, that these are issues faced by the building industry in general, not just green building. Still, I think it&#8217;s an important topic to broach.</p>
<p>John T - To clarify, I was speaking with Dan Morris, a 50-year veteran of indoor air quality who does home investigations and specification and testing of indoor air quality for LEED. In general, he thinks LEED needs to put more emphasis on indoor air quality. The specific example above was a home that had won a pretty significant local green building award but the children were getting sick so the parents hired him to do an investigation. Turns out the house was improperly ventilated and the carbon monoxide fumes from the furnace were infiltrating the air. He said this is not an isolated example, though he added that there are also excellent green buildings out there that do great ventilation and indoor air quality work.</p>
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		<title>By: John T</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/BuildingGreen/?p=219#comment-456</link>
		<dc:creator>John T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"A while back I spoke with an indoor air quality expert who said he’s been in green buildings - LEED, Built Green, etc - that had such bad indoor air quality the house was effectively poisoning the people that lived in it. "

That's a pretty vague but inflammatory statement to dangle in front of the reader without attribution or explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A while back I spoke with an indoor air quality expert who said he’s been in green buildings - LEED, Built Green, etc - that had such bad indoor air quality the house was effectively poisoning the people that lived in it. &#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a pretty vague but inflammatory statement to dangle in front of the reader without attribution or explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: McBuild &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is green building dangerous?</title>
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		<dc:creator>McBuild &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Is green building dangerous?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] But remember that other cultural innovations through history - the atomic bomb and nuclear energy to name a few - have been viewed at times with the frenzied level of expected salvation that green building and green products have &#8230;Posted from By Katie  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] But remember that other cultural innovations through history - the atomic bomb and nuclear energy to name a few - have been viewed at times with the frenzied level of expected salvation that green building and green products have &#8230;Posted from By Katie  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Redell</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/BuildingGreen/?p=219#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Redell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you're overstating your case a bit. While I agree that green building is a very new industry and that at the rate it is growing (extremely fast for such a new industry), many of us are just waiting for a good-sized bump in the road. But to ask if it is dangerous is a bit heavy handed, in my mind.

Yes, there are certainly issues that the green building industry will have to face and anecdotal evidence of problems such as the poor air quality stories you mention above, but for the most part, the problems will likely be manageable. For real danger to occur, we'd need to see shoddy construction collapse and kill (God forbid), companies that claim their products are benign but actually cause cancer, or widespread lying in the industry about the "green" attributes of green building in general.

Except for the last, which is highly unlikely to happen, these are not issues faced by green building, but by builders in general, no? Individual cases brought on by the actions of n'er do wells looking to make a quick buck do not spell danger caused by an entire industry, rather, they make the perpetrators look bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re overstating your case a bit. While I agree that green building is a very new industry and that at the rate it is growing (extremely fast for such a new industry), many of us are just waiting for a good-sized bump in the road. But to ask if it is dangerous is a bit heavy handed, in my mind.</p>
<p>Yes, there are certainly issues that the green building industry will have to face and anecdotal evidence of problems such as the poor air quality stories you mention above, but for the most part, the problems will likely be manageable. For real danger to occur, we&#8217;d need to see shoddy construction collapse and kill (God forbid), companies that claim their products are benign but actually cause cancer, or widespread lying in the industry about the &#8220;green&#8221; attributes of green building in general.</p>
<p>Except for the last, which is highly unlikely to happen, these are not issues faced by green building, but by builders in general, no? Individual cases brought on by the actions of n&#8217;er do wells looking to make a quick buck do not spell danger caused by an entire industry, rather, they make the perpetrators look bad.</p>
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