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Oh give me a home, where Seattlelites roam … the New York Times, an age division and density

Posted on February 17, 2009

Yesterday, the New York Times published an opinion piece by David Brooks called "I Dream of Denver." The piece, based on the late January news on what cities Americans want to live in, calls into question what Americans want from their cities, from density and from their lifestyle.

Reading the piece, I kept thinking about how the descriptions of how people want to

Illustration courtesy of Doug Boehm
Illustration courtesy of Doug Boehm

live are quintessentially Seattle culture. One thing Americans want, the article says, is a stuffed garage "filled with skis, kayaks, soccer equipment, hiking boots and boating equipment. These are places you can imagine yourself leading an active outdoor life." If that's not Seattle, I don't know what is. Then again, Seattle was named third on the list of cities Americans would most want to live in.

This sentiment, of people from other cities knowing Seattle and identifying with it, never struck me harder than at the U.S. Green Building Council's 2008 Greenbuild conference in Boston when faced with a trio of reporters from the Eastern half of North America. When I said I was from Seattle, all three of them (two from New York City and one from Toronto, I believe) all sighed and said, "I want to live in Seattle!"

One of the New Yorkers went so far as to say, "Everyone wants to live in Seattle."  Which stuck me as funny because from my experience, everyone wants to live in New York. And when going to college in Boston, nobody I spoke with had really ever heard of Seattle.

The reporter went on to say that once people realize they can have an urban lifestyle ... and not live in an apartment, they fall in love.

(Not sure if they also fell in love with this city's must-have-a-car mentality or the lack of a subway but that's a different story.)

A remote log cabin
Cabin

A remote log cabin

The mix of home-life and city-life has always been my favorite thing about Seattle. But the NYT opinion piece points out that urban-living is still an ideal of the young, and I am in that demographic. Even here in Seattle, there seems to be a large amount of baby boomer residents who just want more space, whether it be in another state, on one of the islands or in a more spacious city neighborhood. My mother, for example, recalls the excitement of living in urban Chicago in her youth but now wants nothing more than a remote log cabin in Montana.

Is the desire to live in an urban environment a sentiment of youth? Will we, like our parents prefer to retire in a more remote space? ... or is it generational? Will today's younger generations (meaning Xers, Yers....etc.) still idealize open space and isolation or will we choose density?

What do you think? Comment below or answer my poll at right.

P.S. If you read the NYT article, also check out the comments. They're pretty interesting.

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  1. I live here because my wife fell in love with living in an area that feels like the suburbs while actually being in a city (unlike where we used to live, an hour from our jobs in SF). What I’ve grown to love since being here is more the city than the feeling of suburb. I can walk to my favorite stores, take a cab to the opera, ride our scooter downtown. I think I’d be perfectly happy in a downtown apartment with a bus pass and a zipcar membership.

    Regarding life at retirement (though I’m about 1/2 way there, by age), I can’t imagine wanting to live secluded in the suburbs (or worse, in a cabin alone). What happens when you can’t drive anymore? I’d want to live over a grocery store, near plenty of (affordable) restaurants, close to a busy park, and a quick transit ride from everything else.

  2. I agree with Matt. I’m in the gen-x demographic, and find that the older i get the more i want the vibrancy of the city. The last few years I’ve visited places like New York and London several times, and the allure of not needing a car to get around for day-to-day activities is great. Though since I do fit into the decription you give above of the garage filled with bikes, skis, a kayak, and other outdoor paraphanelia, I haven’t yet figured a way out of car ownership (anyone know how to carry a 17 foot kayak onto the bus?).

    But apart from those ventures out into the great outdoors, I would be most happy to leave the car at home and have a truely walkable neighborhood with all my day-to-day ammenities nearby, and an easy connection to the rest of the region through mass transit. Hopefully we see the beginnings of that come July 3rd when LINK starts running.

    PS. Matt – good to see another STB reader here.

  3. I agree about the allure of cities for young people.

    The survey itself has to be taken in context. They didn’t ask people what cities they wanted to live in. They ran down a list of cities and people said which ones would be ok vs. not ok. There were no bonus points for “ideal” cities.

    Denver scored well because it would be ok for over half of the respondees. In surveys that ask people to name their #1 city, New York seems to come on top a lot. Seattle tends to do well in either format. Denver does well in the other format too, but not near the top in the #1s, because it doesn’t seem to get people excited.

  4. hi, thanks for this post. :)


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