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	<title>Comments on: Sidewalk talk</title>
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		<title>By: SeattleScape &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Surface water mismanagement</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/SeattleScape/2008/10/05/sidewalk-talk/#comment-575</link>
		<dc:creator>SeattleScape &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Surface water mismanagement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] course it feels great to pander to demands from neighborhoods for more sidewalks and acknowledge the importance of reducing storm water discharge caused by paved [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] course it feels great to pander to demands from neighborhoods for more sidewalks and acknowledge the importance of reducing storm water discharge caused by paved [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BunnyBob</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/SeattleScape/2008/10/05/sidewalk-talk/#comment-415</link>
		<dc:creator>BunnyBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The street in the photo is most certainly not gravel, and is likely asphalt capped with chip-seal. 

Living in a neighborhood of West Seattle that has numerous streets without sidewalks I can attest to the fact that it is anything but inviting or safe to wander sidewalkless streets.  One must constantly look be on the look out for the numerous numb-nut drivers who are not paying attention.  This same West Seattle neighborhood has a large number of gravel alleys which serve numerous multi-family housing project parking areas.  The gravel alleys are dust bowls in the summer adding to local particulate matter air quality.  In winter one finds the gravel alleys with potholes that become water filled lakes big enough to swallow small vehicles.  Gravel as it has been historically used on rural roads and Forest Service roads is not a very serious option for a city.  That is unless there is some modern engineering that can be done to keep it from potholing and producing dust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The street in the photo is most certainly not gravel, and is likely asphalt capped with chip-seal. </p>
<p>Living in a neighborhood of West Seattle that has numerous streets without sidewalks I can attest to the fact that it is anything but inviting or safe to wander sidewalkless streets.  One must constantly look be on the look out for the numerous numb-nut drivers who are not paying attention.  This same West Seattle neighborhood has a large number of gravel alleys which serve numerous multi-family housing project parking areas.  The gravel alleys are dust bowls in the summer adding to local particulate matter air quality.  In winter one finds the gravel alleys with potholes that become water filled lakes big enough to swallow small vehicles.  Gravel as it has been historically used on rural roads and Forest Service roads is not a very serious option for a city.  That is unless there is some modern engineering that can be done to keep it from potholing and producing dust.</p>
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		<title>By: SeattleScape &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Could Interbay become Seattle&#8217;s Pearl District?</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/SeattleScape/2008/10/05/sidewalk-talk/#comment-395</link>
		<dc:creator>SeattleScape &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Could Interbay become Seattle&#8217;s Pearl District?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] into a battle over the many ‘what ifs’ that could hold this up. The project should look at non-traditional sidewalks to address the SDOT concerns, and a reasonable target needs to be set for affordability. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] into a battle over the many ‘what ifs’ that could hold this up. The project should look at non-traditional sidewalks to address the SDOT concerns, and a reasonable target needs to be set for affordability. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Schrantz</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/SeattleScape/2008/10/05/sidewalk-talk/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Schrantz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe that's not a picture of the road in question, but the street in the photo sure looks paved to me. Maybe it's been chip sealed once or twice, but that's definitely a hard surface road, not gravel. Those unpaved gutters will handle the runoff just fine. My own neighborhood in Nevada looks just like that, and I've never had a problem walking down the middle of the street. Drivers need to share the road in a neighborhood like that anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe that&#8217;s not a picture of the road in question, but the street in the photo sure looks paved to me. Maybe it&#8217;s been chip sealed once or twice, but that&#8217;s definitely a hard surface road, not gravel. Those unpaved gutters will handle the runoff just fine. My own neighborhood in Nevada looks just like that, and I&#8217;ve never had a problem walking down the middle of the street. Drivers need to share the road in a neighborhood like that anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: mhays</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/SeattleScape/2008/10/05/sidewalk-talk/#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator>mhays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palatine and that unpaved road look extremely unsafe.  I'm imagining kids walking home in the rain, cars speeding through...  It gets worse if cars park there -- pedestrians end up in the middle of the street!  

A lack of sidewalks only works if cars are slowed way, way down.  Like the "woonerf" (sp?) concept.  Even then it's sketchy, because some cars don't get the idea.  I can't think of how many fenders I've slapped on Pike Place, to use a sort-of-similar example.  

The gravel would also be a disaster for bike safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palatine and that unpaved road look extremely unsafe.  I&#8217;m imagining kids walking home in the rain, cars speeding through&#8230;  It gets worse if cars park there &#8212; pedestrians end up in the middle of the street!  </p>
<p>A lack of sidewalks only works if cars are slowed way, way down.  Like the &#8220;woonerf&#8221; (sp?) concept.  Even then it&#8217;s sketchy, because some cars don&#8217;t get the idea.  I can&#8217;t think of how many fenders I&#8217;ve slapped on Pike Place, to use a sort-of-similar example.  </p>
<p>The gravel would also be a disaster for bike safety.</p>
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