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	<description>This blog will focus on how Seattle shapes itself -- its design, its planning and its aspirations.</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 00:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Sidewalk talk by Scott Schrantz</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/SeattleScape/2008/10/05/sidewalk-talk/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Schrantz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe that's not a picture of the road in question, but the street in the photo sure looks paved to me. Maybe it's been chip sealed once or twice, but that's definitely a hard surface road, not gravel. Those unpaved gutters will handle the runoff just fine. My own neighborhood in Nevada looks just like that, and I've never had a problem walking down the middle of the street. Drivers need to share the road in a neighborhood like that anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe that&#8217;s not a picture of the road in question, but the street in the photo sure looks paved to me. Maybe it&#8217;s been chip sealed once or twice, but that&#8217;s definitely a hard surface road, not gravel. Those unpaved gutters will handle the runoff just fine. My own neighborhood in Nevada looks just like that, and I&#8217;ve never had a problem walking down the middle of the street. Drivers need to share the road in a neighborhood like that anyway.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sidewalk talk by mhays</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/SeattleScape/2008/10/05/sidewalk-talk/#comment-359</link>
		<dc:creator>mhays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palatine and that unpaved road look extremely unsafe.  I'm imagining kids walking home in the rain, cars speeding through...  It gets worse if cars park there -- pedestrians end up in the middle of the street!  

A lack of sidewalks only works if cars are slowed way, way down.  Like the "woonerf" (sp?) concept.  Even then it's sketchy, because some cars don't get the idea.  I can't think of how many fenders I've slapped on Pike Place, to use a sort-of-similar example.  

The gravel would also be a disaster for bike safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palatine and that unpaved road look extremely unsafe.  I&#8217;m imagining kids walking home in the rain, cars speeding through&#8230;  It gets worse if cars park there &#8212; pedestrians end up in the middle of the street!  </p>
<p>A lack of sidewalks only works if cars are slowed way, way down.  Like the &#8220;woonerf&#8221; (sp?) concept.  Even then it&#8217;s sketchy, because some cars don&#8217;t get the idea.  I can&#8217;t think of how many fenders I&#8217;ve slapped on Pike Place, to use a sort-of-similar example.  </p>
<p>The gravel would also be a disaster for bike safety.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Home ownership: bailout or bankruptcy? by Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/SeattleScape/2008/10/01/home-ownership-bailout-or-bankruptcy/#comment-357</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a feeling they'll continue to just "muddle" through.  Kind of like in John McCain's Afghanistan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a feeling they&#8217;ll continue to just &#8220;muddle&#8221; through.  Kind of like in John McCain&#8217;s Afghanistan.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Home ownership: bailout or bankruptcy? by urbanemily</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/SeattleScape/2008/10/01/home-ownership-bailout-or-bankruptcy/#comment-356</link>
		<dc:creator>urbanemily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You pose a good question--what if politicians had the courage to ask people to revise their expectations?  When it comes to land use in Seattle, that would be refreshing! We need leadership to help us embrace density and to make sure it is implemented well (with space for arts and cultural, thriving businesses, parks, and other amenities). As residents, sometimes our weaknesses get the best of us, at the expense of our neighborhoods.  Let's see some courage and vision from our elected leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You pose a good question&#8211;what if politicians had the courage to ask people to revise their expectations?  When it comes to land use in Seattle, that would be refreshing! We need leadership to help us embrace density and to make sure it is implemented well (with space for arts and cultural, thriving businesses, parks, and other amenities). As residents, sometimes our weaknesses get the best of us, at the expense of our neighborhoods.  Let&#8217;s see some courage and vision from our elected leaders.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Our house by Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/SeattleScape/2008/09/28/our-house/#comment-355</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I'd argue the point isn't that density makes housing cheap -- the cost per square foot of building 12 stories is always going to be more than the cost of building 1 story.  The point is that as land cost becomes more and more of the cost of housing, the *only* way to stay affordable is by adding density.

Take the Silicon Valley area, for example, where residents have been very unwilling to allow anything beyond single-family housing.  Housing costs are far, far higher than in Seattle, in an area where incomes are only slightly higher, and people with lower-income jobs are commuting 50-60 miles daily.

By comparison, New York, which is arguably more desirable than Silicon Valley or Seattle, has a history of dense neighborhoods.  While Manhattan is, of course, crazy expensive, a low-income family can afford to live in a modest apartment in Brooklyn or the Bronx without having to spend hours commuting.  I'd argue that being open to density made that possible.

So in Seattle, it's not that Belltown itself is affordable.  It's that Belltown has made the rest of the city more affordable.  

By the way, relaxing single-family housing restrictions doesn't have to mean an explosion of development in residential neighborhoods.  It could mean, for example, allowing duplex conversion of houses that are more than 20 years old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I&#8217;d argue the point isn&#8217;t that density makes housing cheap &#8212; the cost per square foot of building 12 stories is always going to be more than the cost of building 1 story.  The point is that as land cost becomes more and more of the cost of housing, the *only* way to stay affordable is by adding density.</p>
<p>Take the Silicon Valley area, for example, where residents have been very unwilling to allow anything beyond single-family housing.  Housing costs are far, far higher than in Seattle, in an area where incomes are only slightly higher, and people with lower-income jobs are commuting 50-60 miles daily.</p>
<p>By comparison, New York, which is arguably more desirable than Silicon Valley or Seattle, has a history of dense neighborhoods.  While Manhattan is, of course, crazy expensive, a low-income family can afford to live in a modest apartment in Brooklyn or the Bronx without having to spend hours commuting.  I&#8217;d argue that being open to density made that possible.</p>
<p>So in Seattle, it&#8217;s not that Belltown itself is affordable.  It&#8217;s that Belltown has made the rest of the city more affordable.  </p>
<p>By the way, relaxing single-family housing restrictions doesn&#8217;t have to mean an explosion of development in residential neighborhoods.  It could mean, for example, allowing duplex conversion of houses that are more than 20 years old.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Our house by Roger Valdez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Valdez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conundrum of why dense cities are expensive is an important one to look at.  There are some answers.  One that I think is an important one to consider is the one offered by Virginia Postrel in a piece that ran in the Atlantic Monthly called "A Tale of Two Townhomes"  (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200711/housing).

The view is that cities like San Francisco and Seattle have a powerful, entrenched and motivated group of people who, while left leaning in their poltitics, fail to make the connection between their opposition to new housing and the cost of housing.  

The more difficult it is to build the more expensive the housing.  In places like Dallas when the price goes up they just build more housing until the increase in the supply begins to affect prices. 

I don't know if this is THE answer but it is an interesting article. Also, we will need to factor in what rules have changed in our post bailout market place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conundrum of why dense cities are expensive is an important one to look at.  There are some answers.  One that I think is an important one to consider is the one offered by Virginia Postrel in a piece that ran in the Atlantic Monthly called &#8220;A Tale of Two Townhomes&#8221;  (http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200711/housing).</p>
<p>The view is that cities like San Francisco and Seattle have a powerful, entrenched and motivated group of people who, while left leaning in their poltitics, fail to make the connection between their opposition to new housing and the cost of housing.  </p>
<p>The more difficult it is to build the more expensive the housing.  In places like Dallas when the price goes up they just build more housing until the increase in the supply begins to affect prices. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if this is THE answer but it is an interesting article. Also, we will need to factor in what rules have changed in our post bailout market place.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Our house by Shawna Gamache</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawna Gamache</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Steve,

Great comments. But what do you think about Irene's argument that increased density hasn't yet brought affordability? Is Belltown more affordable now?

I think of San Francisco and its increased density and sky-high prices, and then there's super-affordable Portland with single family houses everywhere. Could there be another element at play?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steve,</p>
<p>Great comments. But what do you think about Irene&#8217;s argument that increased density hasn&#8217;t yet brought affordability? Is Belltown more affordable now?</p>
<p>I think of San Francisco and its increased density and sky-high prices, and then there&#8217;s super-affordable Portland with single family houses everywhere. Could there be another element at play?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Our house by Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sympathetic to Ms. Wall's views;  I agree that it's nice to have trees and yards and that townhouses are often ugly.   That said, I find Mr. Valdez's arguments more convincing.  Though Ms. Wall mentions that we have 3 times the land capacity needed in the next 14 years, I doubt that fully 1/3 of those land owners are looking to redevelop their land to the fullest potential (e.g. are we really expecting to have rows of 6-story apartment buildings along Aurora).  And so I expect, then, that housing prices will increase even further over the next 15 years as the city remains desirable but we run out of land to develop.

Fundamentally, people want to live in Seattle, even in smaller-than-traditional spaces -- witness townhouse sales.  This is desirable environmentally and desirable economically, and as a city, we should let it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sympathetic to Ms. Wall&#8217;s views;  I agree that it&#8217;s nice to have trees and yards and that townhouses are often ugly.   That said, I find Mr. Valdez&#8217;s arguments more convincing.  Though Ms. Wall mentions that we have 3 times the land capacity needed in the next 14 years, I doubt that fully 1/3 of those land owners are looking to redevelop their land to the fullest potential (e.g. are we really expecting to have rows of 6-story apartment buildings along Aurora).  And so I expect, then, that housing prices will increase even further over the next 15 years as the city remains desirable but we run out of land to develop.</p>
<p>Fundamentally, people want to live in Seattle, even in smaller-than-traditional spaces &#8212; witness townhouse sales.  This is desirable environmentally and desirable economically, and as a city, we should let it happen.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Park(ing) Day makes impression by Rob A</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/SeattleScape/2008/09/22/parking-day-makes-impression/#comment-350</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post Matt. I couldn't agree more that downtown needs more parks, especially given the number of new residents about to move in once a few of the current buildings under construction finish. If we want downtown to continue to grow in population and add density, we will need the amenities to support it. Parks are one aspect of this, and I also agree with AJ that more plazas and other public use spaces are needed as we build new commercial developments as well. 

I am also still hopeful that with the future viaduct plan, whatever it may be, it will add a lot of downtown park space and give Seattle the warterfront it truly deserves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Matt. I couldn&#8217;t agree more that downtown needs more parks, especially given the number of new residents about to move in once a few of the current buildings under construction finish. If we want downtown to continue to grow in population and add density, we will need the amenities to support it. Parks are one aspect of this, and I also agree with AJ that more plazas and other public use spaces are needed as we build new commercial developments as well. </p>
<p>I am also still hopeful that with the future viaduct plan, whatever it may be, it will add a lot of downtown park space and give Seattle the warterfront it truly deserves.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Park(ing) Day makes impression by Shawna Gamache</title>
		<link>http://www.djc.com/blogs/SeattleScape/2008/09/22/parking-day-makes-impression/#comment-349</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawna Gamache</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also check out our slideshow of local firms' Park (ing) Day spots at:
http://www.djc.com/news/ae/11204843.html?cgi=yes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also check out our slideshow of local firms&#8217; Park (ing) Day spots at:<br />
<a href="http://www.djc.com/news/ae/11204843.html?cgi=yes" rel="nofollow">http://www.djc.com/news/ae/11204843.html?cgi=yes</a></p>
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